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	<title>Comments on: The Atlantic&#8217;s 150 Year Anniversary Issue &#8211; David Foster Wallace asks how much our security should cost</title>
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		<title>By: James Governor&#8217;s Monkchips &#187; links for 2007-11-08</title>
		<link>http://chriswerler.wordpress.com/2007/10/24/the-atlantics-150-year-anniversary-issue-david-foster-wallace-asks-how-much-our-security-should-cost/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>James Governor&#8217;s Monkchips &#187; links for 2007-11-08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 23:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Atlantic’s 150 Year Anniversary Issue - David Foster Wallace asks how much our security should... how much is liberty worth? (tags: politics liberty) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Atlantic’s 150 Year Anniversary Issue &#8211; David Foster Wallace asks how much our security should&#8230; how much is liberty worth? (tags: politics liberty) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sacrifice, this tradeoff of lives for a way of life is certainly the calculus performed by the neocons when they dreamed up their plan to remake the Middle East in their image. Their logic was that constant low-level terrorism was the price of being in the game. That was before 9/11, of course.

The flaw in this logic is to assume that terrorism is like the weather -- everyone complains about it, but no one can really do anything about it -- and that it has always been with us and will always be with us.

This is nonsense, of course. Terrorism is a symptom of the abject failure of human relations, of the imbalance of wealth and power in the world, and of the unreasonable tolerance our societies have for fundamentalist religion of all creeds.

Imagine if, in the wake of 9/11, Bush had announced an energy-independence program is a similar vein to Kennedy&#039;s moon shot program.  Imagine he had committed only ten per cent of what the Iraq war will cost to a program that would move the USA from an oil-based economy to a hydrogen-based economy.

Such a program would, over time, relieve the fanatics of their money, which ultimately comes from the sale of oil. It would relieve the US of having to intervene in the Middle East, thus removing the stimulus for terrorist attacks against the US. It would save lives. It would boost the American economy by making the US a technology leader in cleaner energy. And -- oh, yes -- it would curb global warming.

If your way of life is causing people to fly airplanes into your office buildings, it is time to examine your way of life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sacrifice, this tradeoff of lives for a way of life is certainly the calculus performed by the neocons when they dreamed up their plan to remake the Middle East in their image. Their logic was that constant low-level terrorism was the price of being in the game. That was before 9/11, of course.</p>
<p>The flaw in this logic is to assume that terrorism is like the weather &#8212; everyone complains about it, but no one can really do anything about it &#8212; and that it has always been with us and will always be with us.</p>
<p>This is nonsense, of course. Terrorism is a symptom of the abject failure of human relations, of the imbalance of wealth and power in the world, and of the unreasonable tolerance our societies have for fundamentalist religion of all creeds.</p>
<p>Imagine if, in the wake of 9/11, Bush had announced an energy-independence program is a similar vein to Kennedy&#8217;s moon shot program.  Imagine he had committed only ten per cent of what the Iraq war will cost to a program that would move the USA from an oil-based economy to a hydrogen-based economy.</p>
<p>Such a program would, over time, relieve the fanatics of their money, which ultimately comes from the sale of oil. It would relieve the US of having to intervene in the Middle East, thus removing the stimulus for terrorist attacks against the US. It would save lives. It would boost the American economy by making the US a technology leader in cleaner energy. And &#8212; oh, yes &#8212; it would curb global warming.</p>
<p>If your way of life is causing people to fly airplanes into your office buildings, it is time to examine your way of life.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Bass</title>
		<link>http://chriswerler.wordpress.com/2007/10/24/the-atlantics-150-year-anniversary-issue-david-foster-wallace-asks-how-much-our-security-should-cost/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Bass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven Berlin Johnson brought up a similar scenario when talking about the growth of cities, past, present and future, toward the end of his book, &lt;i&gt;The Ghost Map.&lt;/i&gt;

I think this goes beyond politics, to a basic animal need to stay alive, at any cost. Humans have rarely, if ever, gone against their basic genetic directives, to stay alive, to consume, to reproduce. Freedom is a recent invention, and a wonderful thing, but tough to compete with the ancient imperatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven Berlin Johnson brought up a similar scenario when talking about the growth of cities, past, present and future, toward the end of his book, <i>The Ghost Map.</i></p>
<p>I think this goes beyond politics, to a basic animal need to stay alive, at any cost. Humans have rarely, if ever, gone against their basic genetic directives, to stay alive, to consume, to reproduce. Freedom is a recent invention, and a wonderful thing, but tough to compete with the ancient imperatives.</p>
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		<title>By: palinode</title>
		<link>http://chriswerler.wordpress.com/2007/10/24/the-atlantics-150-year-anniversary-issue-david-foster-wallace-asks-how-much-our-security-should-cost/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>palinode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I&#039;m waiting for vanderleun to do the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I&#8217;m waiting for vanderleun to do the same.</p>
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		<title>By: vanderleun</title>
		<link>http://chriswerler.wordpress.com/2007/10/24/the-atlantics-150-year-anniversary-issue-david-foster-wallace-asks-how-much-our-security-should-cost/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>vanderleun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m waiting for Wallace to volunteer himself and his family to go first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m waiting for Wallace to volunteer himself and his family to go first.</p>
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		<title>By: Xerox</title>
		<link>http://chriswerler.wordpress.com/2007/10/24/the-atlantics-150-year-anniversary-issue-david-foster-wallace-asks-how-much-our-security-should-cost/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Xerox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crystal clear and clearly put. But a &quot;vox clamantis in deserto&quot; - &quot;voice of a man shouting in the desert&quot; - I&#039;m afraid, in Europe no less than in US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crystal clear and clearly put. But a &#8220;vox clamantis in deserto&#8221; &#8211; &#8220;voice of a man shouting in the desert&#8221; &#8211; I&#8217;m afraid, in Europe no less than in US.</p>
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